The Sausage Smuggler

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The Sausage Smuggler

Postby andyrice » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:50 am

On the Stokes Bay Whatsapp group we've been discussing where to keep one's spare tiller extension. Too many bad stories of keeping it up the boom. That's a no go.

I've wondered about whether the kite chute should have a long thin sleeve stitched into the underside of the chute, for shoving a tiller x up. The current option of spare under the chute is a bit heath robinson, especially stowing the bits of the broken one.

So would this require a rule change? It wouldn't be performance enhancing. It would be good to know if this could be added to the Ovi-supplied sock, and also if we could retro-stitch one into our existing socks.

Would be good to hear if this is possible.

Thanks

Andy

PS. Sausage Smuggler? Blame that on Dan Henderson. Any other less smutty suggestions welcome!

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Postby DanV193 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:49 pm

Andy,

I think this is a great idea, although I preferred Russ Clark's name suggestion 'Otter's Pocket'.

Anyhoo if Ovington supply new kite socks with this facility, then I guess it wouldn't need a rule change being 'as supplied' although I am not sure about the legality of retro-fitting a 'Poley-Holey'* to an older sock.

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Re: The Sausage Smuggler

Postby Rick » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:55 pm

DanV193 wrote:Andy,

I think this is a great idea, although I preferred Russ Clark's name suggestion 'Otter's Pocket'.

Anyhoo if Ovington supply new kite socks with this facility, then I guess it wouldn't need a rule change being 'as supplied' although I am not sure about the legality of retro-fitting a 'Poley-Holey'* to an older sock.

*credit Georgeous Hand


Sounds a good idea ... one for Ovi's I'd suggest as if it works then it makes sense for it to be standard and as such no rule change required.

The Equipment Inspector has always allowed/expected old boats to be bought up the the specification of a new boat; I think this is covered by B.3.2.(d); . usually that involves buying a new part rather than changing an existing part ... I don't really know on this ...I'm sure Rob could advise ..

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Re: The Sausage Smuggler

Postby Robtaylor » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:59 am

Modifying existing spinnaker socks is not currently permitted; however if the supplies parts were updated at the request of the class then no rule change would be necessary to permit it.
If the class feel they need this, then propose it as a rule change or ask Ovis to change the spec.
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Re: The Sausage Smuggler

Postby Rick » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:18 am

Update from OVi's is that they have significant stock of the chute sock and it is not feasible to modify them so this is not likely to happen as a standard part in the medium term so if this is wanted it would have to be proposed as a rule change to allow the modification to the standard part.
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Postby paul manning » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:19 pm

I'll make a note to add to this years survey.
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Re: The Sausage Smuggler

Postby SELSBowbitch » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:26 pm

There is a way of doing it easily under the kite sock but as Andy says it's not feasible to keep the broken bits afterwards, however...

The best way of doing it is not to have a spare but to have a sheath of carbon on the existing extension, taped in place at the bottom next to the UJ, the idea being that you have an elastic up the center of the ext which means if it breaks it does cleanly unlike when you have tight rope in there.

Once you've cleared the sea from your lungs you can then untape the sheath and slide over the break then tape it into place

To make the sheath all you need is some glass / carbon cloth. put some release agent or plastic sheet over the last 1' of the extension, put about 4 wraps of cloth round it with epoxy and then add some peel ply. Once it's dry remove the peel ply and slide the sheath off, trim it up and you're good to go. I think I've got one somewhere, will take a pic if I remember.
Used to break a lot of extensions on the startline of the 18's so this was the best option to make a quick repair and go

Defo not in the boom though, vague memories of that costing Rick a mast years ago...

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Re: The Sausage Smuggler

Postby Rick » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:01 pm

SELSBowbitch wrote:Defo not in the boom though, vague memories of that costing Rick a mast years ago...


Grrrr ... do not remind me ...

Does C.5.1.(7) not cover the addition of the Sausage Smuggler? You'd need to check with Rob.


Personally I favour just having a spare under the chute sock.
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Re: The Sausage Smuggler

Postby Djric » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:14 am

C.5.1(7) does not help. Sorry.

Unless Ovi modify the sock the Rule will need to be changed

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Re: The Sausage Smuggler

Postby PaulM » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:52 am

So strictly in accordance with the rules C.6.1.3 (t) says you can carry a spare extension. However nowhere in the rules are you allowed to secure it to the boat by any means.

And while we are at it C.6.1.6 says only one tiller extension can be used during an event "Any replacement shall only be
made with the approval of the Race Committee".

It could even be argued that the repair sleeve is not allowed to be carried.

So unless I am wrong (and it has been known), it looks like we need a change to the rules anyway and therefore we may as well allow the smuggler....
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Re: The Sausage Smuggler

Postby Rick » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:47 am

Djric wrote:C.5.1(7) does not help. Sorry.


Really? That rule says I can add a bag to carry safety equipment which is what I would argue a spare is to use when there is a breakage.
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Re: The Sausage Smuggler

Postby Djric » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:00 pm

Paul is right, we need to amend 6.1.6; my oversight, sorry. The current rules allow the spare to be attached with tape, shock cord or velcro - 6.1.3(e)

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Re: The Sausage Smuggler

Postby PaulM » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:07 pm

Disagree on the reading of 6.1.3(e). This is to facilitate the easy rigging.

As we do not define what rigging means I assume this refers to the obvious “getting the boat ready for sailing” and not rigging being the the mast and shrouds etc...

Therefore carrying a spare would not be considered easy rigging.
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Re: The Sausage Smuggler

Postby bristollad » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:43 pm

Just give them to a rescue boat at the end of the day if you break a extension you are more then likely going to need a rescue boat especially in chop
If we as a class make a agreement among sailors to throw all spares in a boat and use them if the situation occurs

I am worried that say weymouth you break a extension and you do not have a spare and your in the bay it’s a long way back so either a rescue boat has to drive you all the way back,there fore taking a rescue boat up for a great of 45 mins or you will be tied up behind the committee boat and no one wants to be sat there trying to balance a musto skiff for 4 hours in chop

So just having spares on a rib to me makes complete sense.

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Re: The Sausage Smuggler

Postby PaulM » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:16 pm

Better to be self sufficient if you can, and reduce the responsibility of a rescue boat.

What would be the outcome if a rescue boat helps one boat so he can start in the next race but then does not have time to provide your tiller extension? Favouritism? Bad timing? Or a protest against the committee?

Also even a small event you can loose the next race sailing ashore.
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